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Radical Cartoons's avatar

Until this, I had never heard of this man, as I gave up tv/BBC 20 years ago, and avoid MSM.

But to paraphrase what one American politician just said about another, the best policy with trans-ideology-enablers is "Operation Let Them Speak"!

At Let Women Speak (LWS), Kellie-Jay Keen has been inviting anti-women protesters to our events for many years. The more the public see and hear them, the better it is for our cause of saving women's rights.

On Sunday 13th April, they will be holding a "Protect Queer Streets Party" in opposition to our LWS rally in central Bristol. I hope many journalists, youtubers, and msm reporters will cover the events. Speak to attendees at both, and see the answers you get.

The police are providing horses for crowd control, and I can assure you that it's not because they are worried about a few middle aged women speaking about their rights!

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JoMarch's avatar

Excellent; thank you. So true that the BBC's tactic of often avoiding mentioning uncomfortable/batshit things (see how they omitted a whole day of the testimony in the Sandie Peggie case - the one with Maya Forstatter, and how they omitted a whole section of Theodore/Beth Upton's startling testimony - the bit where he said he was female) makes it hard for 'our side'.

In contrast, John Oliver put it all out there, as you say.

"In the long-term, trust in his fact-checking team will be degraded, not least because another of his weapons has been used against him - the beautiful joy of transparency".

Thanks John!

Incidentally, I have asked the BBC's Verify Team (tongue-in-check, naturally: not expecting a response) to Verify the sex of Kyle/Zoe Watts, a violent male currently on remand who they repeatedly mis-sex in their many reports eg: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8q9q819v7o. I have of course pointed out to them that trust in their fact-checking team is already degraded by the lies...

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SEENinJournalism's avatar

BBC Verify will not touch this. Thank you so much for poking them again.

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JoMarch's avatar

I have written to Tim Davie also. Dog with a bone, me.

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Dave's avatar

The only question left to ask is who among John Oliver, Jimmy Kimmel and Steven Colbert has become the more insufferable?

Oh, and one more, do the Democrats ever do anything funny anymore?

Does anyone remember when comedians were willing to make fun of the foibles of both parties? Now Colbert, Kimmel, and Oliver are so one sided they sound like scolds. Only Bill Maher, Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle are willing to take shots at both sides. They remain funny. The others not.

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Lisa Simeone's avatar

As one wag put it:

"Comedy is dead because liberals can't take a joke and conservatives can't write one."

(Sorry I can't credit him or her because I saw it in an NYT comment section long ago and have no idea who wrote it)

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Jenny Poyer Ackerman's avatar

Sad but true.

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Sufeitzy's avatar

I would love to make a documentary film, starting with a male cuttlefish which consciously changes its skin pattern to confuse a male and insert sperm in a female. Then perhaps a dung beetle, a ruff (bird), a red deer - animals in which the male imitates a female to avoid males and gain sexual access to females (sexual mimicry).

Then a comment that human males imitate females - a few select images - then choice comments on how it confuses men - cue to Oliver, with a laugh track, then on confusing women but not all ( JK Rowling). Then images of access to women - a rapist in prison, a swimmer winning a prize.

Then a discussion about males imitating females - a natural phenomenon, and how human males are confused, and females are confused, scientists are confused by a simple phenomenon (scientists wittering on about gender), philosophers are confused (cue Judith Butler) and politicians are confused (cue politicians speaking up for men on women’s sports.

A fascinating documentary.

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ClemenceDane's avatar

Do it!

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Nina Bloch's avatar

It was a bizarre episode because everything was argued in such bad faith. It was a little embarrassing to see the arguments he seemed to think were so convincing

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SEENinJournalism's avatar

You're right - it did him no favours at all

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Anne Martinez's avatar

It was such a minor niche issue he spent 40 minutes screaming about it.

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JoMarch's avatar

Yes, it just smelt of desperation

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Bev Jo's avatar

I can't stand that little wanker, always cheering himself on. And in the US, his English accent will get him more respect and approval. I wish he had to go through the hell so many women have from being threatened with rape and murder, and stalked by men claiming to be women. Then he might change his mind, but it's us they are targeting.

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JoMarch's avatar

Hasn't he got a Birmingham accent?* It's a perfectly nice accent (I have a regional one myself) but it makes me chuckle a bit when people from the US imply he's somehow 'posh' or trustworthy when I believe it comes low down in the list of accents-people-like here in Blighty.

*Just checked and yes it is.

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ClemenceDane's avatar

I used to enjoy some of Oliver's satire 10 years ago, but now I think he's "all heel."

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Terf vibes's avatar

How sweet it is to be loved by truth. Sorry, that just popped out of my Terf-tired brain. Excellent article. Let's hope it is the long overdue game-changer we need. I subbed on the take down of Oliver's stupid, sexist and deeply unfunny show by the seasoned comedy writer Paul Chato, who used to write for Oliver. When a man takes down one of his own for breaking the rules of the game - namely make fun of whatever you like as long as it's funny and rings true, as all the best comedy does - I think it does have the potential to wake up and shame the other men in the industry who are currently taking money to ignore or misrepresent the cross-dressing elephant in the room.

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Ron Eve's avatar

Excellent article.

I'd never heard of John Oliver until about 10-12 years ago when he appeared on US TV. If he was an 'English comedian' before that, well, I must have missed him at all the comedy shows I went to or watched on British TV. But here we are, as they say!

I found quite amusing early on but soon tired of his increasingly hectoring style. His latest show caught my attention as it was all over social media. What a disastrous show (for him, that is). Canned laughter notwithstanding - it wasn't funny!

Funnily enough I'd not heard of Paul Chato before now, but ironically, because of Oliver I'm now a huge fan! His take-down of the show is brilliant.

https://youtu.be/3Efi4os7-nQ

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Anne T's avatar

Great.

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Steven Webb's avatar

Brilliant post, thank you!

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Teed Rockwell's avatar

You talk at great length about how Oliver's claims were all refuted by fact checkers, and yet there is not a single refuted fact in the entire article. I checked your links and there were no fact refutations in those either. The Daily mail accused Oliver of misleading by leaving out a significant fact. (That a gold medal counted for more than one stolen medal because the women who received the silver medal should have received the gold etc.) This is a lie as Oliver said almost word for word the background information they claimed he was leaving out.

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WordsThatFail's avatar

I feel like his influence is waning. His geopolitical stories are laughably one sided and bad, like when he dinged Modi for thuggishly shutting down an oppo TV station but conveniently neglected to mention how Islamic governments have dealt with their dissident journalists in recent times. You know, trumped up tax evasion charges in India vs. Saudi Arabia literally beheading someone in a foreign embassy office (the piece was about Modi going after Muslims through a freedom of press lens, with the backdrop being increased Muslim migration into India).

What bugs me the most about John Oliver though is that he constantly pretends what he's doing is more comedy than journalism. In reality, it's the other way around. Even when I was a fan, that rankled me. He does this to duck any sort of editorial responsibility that's associated with traditional journalism, even though he boasts about his robust fact checking department and how thoroughly stories are vetted. Sounds like a news operation to me!

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Jim Shilander's avatar

Lay off the bold

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